and harold pollack joins us as well. welcome, gentlemen. first to you mr. pollack. what is the problem? is it guns, gang, both? what is it? >> i think that everything you mentioned is a problem. but i think that the immediate problem is getting a better handle on illegal guns. many of the murders that take place involve 18-year-old kids dealing with each other, having normal 18-year-old conflicts. and then you introduce a gun to that. and someone ends up dead. i think that helping kids deal with those conflicts more productively but also doing everything we can to deal with those illegal guns is critical to bringing the homicide rate down. >> this is exactly what cease-fire deals with, especially the gang issue. and you know from experience, you know this well. before i talk to you, do you remember back in 2009 in the summer, this was right after 2008 when it was high. you and i went and walked around all these really terrible neighborhoods. at one point, someone pulled a gun on us. you remember that? >> yeah, i remember it pretty clearly, don. somebody pulled a gun